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		<title>By: The very gendered baby &#171; blue milk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The very gendered baby &#171; blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More from feminist parents on this topic: here from Mistress Mom, here from Chicago Pop, here from Daddy Dialectic, and here from Raising My Boychick. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find most interesting is that this is on the minds of so many mothers/parents, yet we are still hard pressed to find gender neutral clothes for our kids. That the discussion is often about dressing girls as boys and vice versa. I too wrote about dressing my daughter in boys clothes a couple of days ago. While I realize that clothing is often gifted and we live in a multi-generational and multi-cultural society that often remains closed to questions of gender, it seems that there should be more options for those that don&#039;t want to dictate behaviours through the colour or make of clothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find most interesting is that this is on the minds of so many mothers/parents, yet we are still hard pressed to find gender neutral clothes for our kids. That the discussion is often about dressing girls as boys and vice versa. I too wrote about dressing my daughter in boys clothes a couple of days ago. While I realize that clothing is often gifted and we live in a multi-generational and multi-cultural society that often remains closed to questions of gender, it seems that there should be more options for those that don&#8217;t want to dictate behaviours through the colour or make of clothing.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; These Boots Were Made for Walkin&#8217; Strocel.com</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/12/wfpp-on-dressing-a-daughter-and-a-theoretical-son/#comment-3032</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; These Boots Were Made for Walkin&#8217; Strocel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big sister&#8217;s clothes. I have some mixed feelings about it, but the truth stands, and I know I&#8217;m not the only mom who feels that way. But red boots? Anyone can wear a lovely set of shiny red [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;I am a feedback&#8230; investment banker?&#8221; On language, kyriarchy, and problematic metaphors &#171; Raising My Boychick</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/12/wfpp-on-dressing-a-daughter-and-a-theoretical-son/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;I am a feedback&#8230; investment banker?&#8221; On language, kyriarchy, and problematic metaphors &#171; Raising My Boychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WFPP Guest Post: On Dressing a Daughter…and a Theoretical Son. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JohannaMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohannaMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first-born was a son.  I got some gift clothes, all boyish, some of it super-masculine.  When I bought clothes for toddler-him myself, none of it was dresses, but several were frilly, girlish.  I honestly was thinking about hand-me-downs.  I hoped to have a girl (hi, Arwyn!) and wanted some of her clothes to not be all-boy.  Even 35 years ago I didn&#039;t think a toddler should be rigidly gendered.  I think a lot of it is having enough security in oneself (and one&#039;s child) that the outward appearance isn&#039;t important.  Today, my first-born is a definite male who wears pink at times and participates fully in raising his own kids.  My husband carries my purse when we&#039;re together.  They are both comfortable enough in their masculinity to not be threatened by outwardly feminine appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first-born was a son.  I got some gift clothes, all boyish, some of it super-masculine.  When I bought clothes for toddler-him myself, none of it was dresses, but several were frilly, girlish.  I honestly was thinking about hand-me-downs.  I hoped to have a girl (hi, Arwyn!) and wanted some of her clothes to not be all-boy.  Even 35 years ago I didn&#8217;t think a toddler should be rigidly gendered.  I think a lot of it is having enough security in oneself (and one&#8217;s child) that the outward appearance isn&#8217;t important.  Today, my first-born is a definite male who wears pink at times and participates fully in raising his own kids.  My husband carries my purse when we&#8217;re together.  They are both comfortable enough in their masculinity to not be threatened by outwardly feminine appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often thought about this, and how funny/odd/somewhat troubling to look at my son (2yrs old) and think &quot;that outfit looks kinda girly&quot; simply because it doesn&#039;t contain any dark blue in it.  I try to avoid the truly out-there BOY clothes (which makes clothes shopping pretty tough, unfortunately) but I also have yet to buy him anything pink.  I do try to go with gender-neutral options most of the time, but I&#039;ve also surprised myself with how often I gravitate towards the &quot;boy&quot; option when they&#039;re limited.  It&#039;s a constant battle, and I hope I&#039;m able to support him if he ever wants to wear more girly things, and that I don&#039;t subconsciously send out signals about what is and is not ok for him to want to wear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often thought about this, and how funny/odd/somewhat troubling to look at my son (2yrs old) and think &#8220;that outfit looks kinda girly&#8221; simply because it doesn&#8217;t contain any dark blue in it.  I try to avoid the truly out-there BOY clothes (which makes clothes shopping pretty tough, unfortunately) but I also have yet to buy him anything pink.  I do try to go with gender-neutral options most of the time, but I&#8217;ve also surprised myself with how often I gravitate towards the &#8220;boy&#8221; option when they&#8217;re limited.  It&#8217;s a constant battle, and I hope I&#8217;m able to support him if he ever wants to wear more girly things, and that I don&#8217;t subconsciously send out signals about what is and is not ok for him to want to wear.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s hard to walk the line between feminist wanting to remove gender-imposed obstacles and mother wanting to protect her children.&lt;/em&gt; 

I understand what you&#039;re saying, because none of us want to watch our child be the victim of bullying, but I don&#039;t see them as inherently opposing urges. The feminist desire to remove gender-imposed obstacles IS one of the many ways that I try to protect my child. &lt;em&gt;Especially&lt;/em&gt; if he turns out to be trans or gender-variant, but even if not, the spectrum of gender clothing options he has available is part of trying to protect him: from the damage of an imposed gender that may not match his true gender; from the damage of limiting gender roles even if his assigned gender is accurate. It seems to me, then, rather a matter of trying to balance &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; the different ways we try to protect our children, from all the different forces that can damage them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s hard to walk the line between feminist wanting to remove gender-imposed obstacles and mother wanting to protect her children.</em> </p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, because none of us want to watch our child be the victim of bullying, but I don&#8217;t see them as inherently opposing urges. The feminist desire to remove gender-imposed obstacles IS one of the many ways that I try to protect my child. <em>Especially</em> if he turns out to be trans or gender-variant, but even if not, the spectrum of gender clothing options he has available is part of trying to protect him: from the damage of an imposed gender that may not match his true gender; from the damage of limiting gender roles even if his assigned gender is accurate. It seems to me, then, rather a matter of trying to balance <em>all</em> the different ways we try to protect our children, from all the different forces that can damage them.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of &quot;using&quot; one&#039;s child to &quot;prove&quot; some political or ideological &quot;point&quot; always comes up in these conversations, and it always bewilders and bothers me. (I don&#039;t even think you were leveling any such accusation; you seemed more just to be aware that it would come up as an idea.)

It bothers me because it accepts the cultural dictate of highly gendered clothing as the default; because it assumes that making an adult political point is &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; reason to use &quot;girl&quot; clothing on a presumed-boy; because the reason &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; offer pink and sparkly and lacy clothing to my child (and sometimes used them before he was able to chose clothing) is &lt;strong&gt;for my child&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;in spite of the world&lt;/em&gt;, not to gain political points.

It seems to be just another case of the kyriarchy&#039;s divide-and-conquer tactics: paint one side as gender-conforming sheeple, the other as baby-hating hard-asses, when the truth is, we&#039;re all just pretty much doing what we think is best given a really shitty set of circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of &#8220;using&#8221; one&#8217;s child to &#8220;prove&#8221; some political or ideological &#8220;point&#8221; always comes up in these conversations, and it always bewilders and bothers me. (I don&#8217;t even think you were leveling any such accusation; you seemed more just to be aware that it would come up as an idea.)</p>
<p>It bothers me because it accepts the cultural dictate of highly gendered clothing as the default; because it assumes that making an adult political point is <em>the</em> reason to use &#8220;girl&#8221; clothing on a presumed-boy; because the reason <em>I</em> offer pink and sparkly and lacy clothing to my child (and sometimes used them before he was able to chose clothing) is <strong>for my child</strong> <em>in spite of the world</em>, not to gain political points.</p>
<p>It seems to be just another case of the kyriarchy&#8217;s divide-and-conquer tactics: paint one side as gender-conforming sheeple, the other as baby-hating hard-asses, when the truth is, we&#8217;re all just pretty much doing what we think is best given a really shitty set of circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny (author)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny (author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber, I think you&#039;ve made a most crucial point--as much as our children&#039;s genders are dictated by society, there is also a whole lot of personal choice and direction involved (like babies born as boys who really are girls, or girls born as girls who want everything to sparkle!).  And I think, as mothers, we want to honor whatever feels right to them, without TELLING them what feels right to them.  Which is the hard part, for me.  How do I know if my 20-month old is obsessed with my jewelery collection because there&#039;s something inside her that&#039;s all about baubles, or just because she sees mommy in them?  Am I a lover of pink and fitted cocktail dresses because that&#039;s part of my personality, or because my mom dug the girly stuff?  Although, her mother dressed her in very androgynous clothes.  Hmmmmmm.  Major chicken and egg situation here.  

The ultimate question: how do I encourage my children to express their gender identity, whatever it is, in a way that feels right to them without imposing my own politics (or preferences)?  That&#039;s what I struggle with.

Also, Summer really hit the nail on the head when she said it&#039;s a balance between our ideals as feminists and as mothers who want to protect their children.  If I put my son in a dress in order to make a statement, and he has not expressed a desire to wear that dress, and he faces the ridicule of ignorant people, have I done the right thing?  At the end of the day, it is about choosing battles, and trying to subvert the whole &quot;boys don&#039;t wear girls&#039; clothes&quot; thing before my son even wants to is not a battle I&#039;m going to choose, probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber, I think you&#8217;ve made a most crucial point&#8211;as much as our children&#8217;s genders are dictated by society, there is also a whole lot of personal choice and direction involved (like babies born as boys who really are girls, or girls born as girls who want everything to sparkle!).  And I think, as mothers, we want to honor whatever feels right to them, without TELLING them what feels right to them.  Which is the hard part, for me.  How do I know if my 20-month old is obsessed with my jewelery collection because there&#8217;s something inside her that&#8217;s all about baubles, or just because she sees mommy in them?  Am I a lover of pink and fitted cocktail dresses because that&#8217;s part of my personality, or because my mom dug the girly stuff?  Although, her mother dressed her in very androgynous clothes.  Hmmmmmm.  Major chicken and egg situation here.  </p>
<p>The ultimate question: how do I encourage my children to express their gender identity, whatever it is, in a way that feels right to them without imposing my own politics (or preferences)?  That&#8217;s what I struggle with.</p>
<p>Also, Summer really hit the nail on the head when she said it&#8217;s a balance between our ideals as feminists and as mothers who want to protect their children.  If I put my son in a dress in order to make a statement, and he has not expressed a desire to wear that dress, and he faces the ridicule of ignorant people, have I done the right thing?  At the end of the day, it is about choosing battles, and trying to subvert the whole &#8220;boys don&#8217;t wear girls&#8217; clothes&#8221; thing before my son even wants to is not a battle I&#8217;m going to choose, probably.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 4 1/2 year old daughter and a 1 year old son. And, I&#039;ll be honest, I was very sad when I sorted through the wee little girl clothes and realized I might never use them again. Because, like you, I can&#039;t quite get over the mental hurdle to dress my son in &#039;girl&#039; clothes, at least when he isn&#039;t asking.

My daughter is extremely girly. By the time that she was 18 months old she wanted only pink, frilly, sparkly things, in spite of my ideas to the contrary. I wanted to dress her in comfortable play clothes, and she wanted to wear her Christmas dress every day. Which, you know, is her choice. I can&#039;t see forbidding it.

Anyways, by the time that my son was 6 months old or so he was already looking up to his sister like crazy. And since we have loads and loads of &#039;girly&#039; stuff, he often gravitated towards it. If you held up a tiara and a ball, he would go for the tiara every time. So, having an opposite gender sibling really kind of neutralizes the gender playing field, in my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 4 1/2 year old daughter and a 1 year old son. And, I&#8217;ll be honest, I was very sad when I sorted through the wee little girl clothes and realized I might never use them again. Because, like you, I can&#8217;t quite get over the mental hurdle to dress my son in &#8216;girl&#8217; clothes, at least when he isn&#8217;t asking.</p>
<p>My daughter is extremely girly. By the time that she was 18 months old she wanted only pink, frilly, sparkly things, in spite of my ideas to the contrary. I wanted to dress her in comfortable play clothes, and she wanted to wear her Christmas dress every day. Which, you know, is her choice. I can&#8217;t see forbidding it.</p>
<p>Anyways, by the time that my son was 6 months old or so he was already looking up to his sister like crazy. And since we have loads and loads of &#8216;girly&#8217; stuff, he often gravitated towards it. If you held up a tiara and a ball, he would go for the tiara every time. So, having an opposite gender sibling really kind of neutralizes the gender playing field, in my experience.</p>
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