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		<title>By: Emerson</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/12/there-are-no-solutions-in-the-status-quo/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not know about babies crying differently for mothers than for others.

But I have seen (and been) a child who did that.</description>
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<p>But I have seen (and been) a child who did that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa P</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/12/there-are-no-solutions-in-the-status-quo/#comment-3114</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is eerie.  Just the other day I was thinking about the research that shows a baby&#039;s crying is different with its mother vs another caregiver.  I have mentioned it on several lists, thinking it would be an interesting topic, but it is like some huge can of worms and nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole!  I was JUST thinking, I wonder if Arwyn has taken that one on, or if not, I should suggest it.  I am psychic!  

Oh, and great as always.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is eerie.  Just the other day I was thinking about the research that shows a baby&#8217;s crying is different with its mother vs another caregiver.  I have mentioned it on several lists, thinking it would be an interesting topic, but it is like some huge can of worms and nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole!  I was JUST thinking, I wonder if Arwyn has taken that one on, or if not, I should suggest it.  I am psychic!  </p>
<p>Oh, and great as always.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all strikes a real chord with me.  I had/have lots of mothers-and-babies groups to go to, and yet the nuclear structure of the family continues to make me feel incredibly isolated in those long hours when something isn&#039;t scheduled.  I try to create pseudo-collective groups and am sometimes disappointed by the lack of response from people.  The concept of something other than what seems &quot;normal&quot; to them is difficult to develop for many to grasp.  And the whole weight of our culture is undermining any such efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all strikes a real chord with me.  I had/have lots of mothers-and-babies groups to go to, and yet the nuclear structure of the family continues to make me feel incredibly isolated in those long hours when something isn&#8217;t scheduled.  I try to create pseudo-collective groups and am sometimes disappointed by the lack of response from people.  The concept of something other than what seems &#8220;normal&#8221; to them is difficult to develop for many to grasp.  And the whole weight of our culture is undermining any such efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That part about mommy groups really strikes a chord with me.  I work full time and my husband stays home with our daughter.  I&#039;ve wanted to take her out to the Early Years Centre to play together, but it&#039;s only open during my work hours.  They even close on holidays when I&#039;m available!  Meanwhile, they have special evenings and Saturdays specifically for dads to bring their kids in and I&#039;ve been told that I can&#039;t come because I&#039;m a mom.  I see the point of having dads only times since some dads don&#039;t feel comfortable with all the moms, but even once a week for ALL working parents would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That part about mommy groups really strikes a chord with me.  I work full time and my husband stays home with our daughter.  I&#8217;ve wanted to take her out to the Early Years Centre to play together, but it&#8217;s only open during my work hours.  They even close on holidays when I&#8217;m available!  Meanwhile, they have special evenings and Saturdays specifically for dads to bring their kids in and I&#8217;ve been told that I can&#8217;t come because I&#8217;m a mom.  I see the point of having dads only times since some dads don&#8217;t feel comfortable with all the moms, but even once a week for ALL working parents would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if I continue putting off replying to this comment until I can do it justice, I&#039;ll never reply at all. Like I wrote elsewhere, I was tempted to delete my posts and replace them with this (and your other) comment.  Needless to say: yes. I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if I continue putting off replying to this comment until I can do it justice, I&#8217;ll never reply at all. Like I wrote elsewhere, I was tempted to delete my posts and replace them with this (and your other) comment.  Needless to say: yes. I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the point of this post was that you&#039;re right, especially in the system as it is: it&#039;s ridiculous to tell women their babies are being damaged because they have to, or choose to (usually out of a limited set of options), work away from their children, to browbeat us in to believing there is only one &quot;right way&quot; to raise our children. So much of attachment propaganda is based in valid science -- children&#039;s need for secure attachment with caregivers, young infants&#039; biological enmeshment with those who gestated and birthed them -- but then is used as a weapon against women, to guilt trip, to shame, to attempt to control, to limit our choices. This is misogynist; this is unacceptable. Yet so too is throwing out what we know about infants&#039; and children&#039;s health, as some would have us do.

This is why I want to talk about choices, about more options, about possibilities not currently possible. Including, if someone wants or needs to work full-time away from their young children, how else can we meet their children&#039;s needs? There are so many ways, from close-by nurseries to stable, loving child care to grandparents to alloparents to things that haven&#039;t even occurred to me. And it&#039;s not just women&#039;s responsibility to find those options or be labeled a &quot;bad mother&quot;; it&#039;s also society&#039;s responsibility to make those choices available, or truly earn the label &quot;bad society&quot;.

It is only the limitations and oppressions of kyriarchy that tell us we can have one OR the other, women&#039;s autonomy OR babies&#039; attachment. Which is why we have to imagine options outside the status quo; which is why I wrote the next post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the point of this post was that you&#8217;re right, especially in the system as it is: it&#8217;s ridiculous to tell women their babies are being damaged because they have to, or choose to (usually out of a limited set of options), work away from their children, to browbeat us in to believing there is only one &#8220;right way&#8221; to raise our children. So much of attachment propaganda is based in valid science &#8212; children&#8217;s need for secure attachment with caregivers, young infants&#8217; biological enmeshment with those who gestated and birthed them &#8212; but then is used as a weapon against women, to guilt trip, to shame, to attempt to control, to limit our choices. This is misogynist; this is unacceptable. Yet so too is throwing out what we know about infants&#8217; and children&#8217;s health, as some would have us do.</p>
<p>This is why I want to talk about choices, about more options, about possibilities not currently possible. Including, if someone wants or needs to work full-time away from their young children, how else can we meet their children&#8217;s needs? There are so many ways, from close-by nurseries to stable, loving child care to grandparents to alloparents to things that haven&#8217;t even occurred to me. And it&#8217;s not just women&#8217;s responsibility to find those options or be labeled a &#8220;bad mother&#8221;; it&#8217;s also society&#8217;s responsibility to make those choices available, or truly earn the label &#8220;bad society&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is only the limitations and oppressions of kyriarchy that tell us we can have one OR the other, women&#8217;s autonomy OR babies&#8217; attachment. Which is why we have to imagine options outside the status quo; which is why I wrote the next post.</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, so here is some of my epic comment (i have posted the last bit on your follow-up post, because it seemed more fitting there):

once again, you (and lyla) hit the nail on the head.

with regard to this issue, i often wonder about the marginalization of &quot;secondary&quot; caregivers as well--more often than not, the parent who didn&#039;t give birth to the child (if it is a biological child). this can often mean fathers, but i&#039;ve recently seen examples in my own life of two-mother families where the mother who bore the child and is nursing is somehow seen as the &quot;real&quot; mother or more of a parent.

i understand and respect the importance of the mother-baby relationship as it pertains to biologically appropriate parenting (e.g., in general, it is the biological mother who breastfeeds the child), but i often wonder whether this relationship is sometimes used/aggrandized in order to perpetuate a more abstract, patriarchal interpretation of the role of &quot;mother&quot; (as you outlined so well above). i also wonder where this interpretation leaves other parents (or more importantly, children&#039;s relationships with them). (see: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/01/man-as-babywearer-or-this-site-needs-pictures/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;attachment parenting does not equal attachment mothering&lt;/a&gt;).

as for the work/stay home thing...well, we&#039;ve all got to make an honest living somehow. but i think this issue goes far beyond mothers and children, and we must dig a lot deeper for the answers to much broader questions--for example, why is it now the norm in our society that in order to make a living, a working person must be alienated from his/her home life to one extent or another? this is true not only for parents, but for any working adults in any kind of living situation. for most people, time spent at work also means time not spent at home--in one&#039;s home community, applying one&#039;s self to valuable domestic pursuits (growing or cooking food, household maintenance, nurturing relationships with one&#039;s housemates or neighbors, caring for children if there are any). some would say we can trace this convention back to the industrial revolution, when former farm workers left their homesteads to work in the factories all day. i think that this, in part, has led to our current set of cultural assumptions:

1. someone in the household must do paid work in order to make a living
2. in order to work, we must leave home and go to a workplace
3. ideally, infants should not be separated from their mothers for extended periods of time
4. infants/children do not belong in the workplace
5. &quot;staying home&quot; as a caregiver means making an infant/child the center of one&#039;s undivided attention
6. therefore, mothers must stay home and not to go work OR they must be separated from their infants in order to work (which apparently, according to some folks, will make the child a &quot;huddled heap of despair.&quot;)
7. therefore, non-mother parents are the only ones who can go to work, so they must go to work and not stay home.

if i look at those assumptions for a while, i feel like really there are only two that hold water on a very basic level: (1) and (3). the others, to varying degrees, are products of the society we live in. each of us has a different amount of privilege and resources and circumstance that allows us to go against societal norms if we are so inclined: some families are able to get by on one parent&#039;s full-time income, or two or more parents&#039; part-time income. some people are able to telecommute or operate a home-based business. some (very few, indeed) have an out-of-the-home workplace that supports the presence of infants and children, and so on.

but the reality is, the majority of us have none of these options available (which is why, among other reasons, i don&#039;t think it&#039;s very realistic or progressive to expect women to all want to quit their jobs and wholeheartedly embrace &quot;mother-child communion&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, so here is some of my epic comment (i have posted the last bit on your follow-up post, because it seemed more fitting there):</p>
<p>once again, you (and lyla) hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>with regard to this issue, i often wonder about the marginalization of &#8220;secondary&#8221; caregivers as well&#8211;more often than not, the parent who didn&#8217;t give birth to the child (if it is a biological child). this can often mean fathers, but i&#8217;ve recently seen examples in my own life of two-mother families where the mother who bore the child and is nursing is somehow seen as the &#8220;real&#8221; mother or more of a parent.</p>
<p>i understand and respect the importance of the mother-baby relationship as it pertains to biologically appropriate parenting (e.g., in general, it is the biological mother who breastfeeds the child), but i often wonder whether this relationship is sometimes used/aggrandized in order to perpetuate a more abstract, patriarchal interpretation of the role of &#8220;mother&#8221; (as you outlined so well above). i also wonder where this interpretation leaves other parents (or more importantly, children&#8217;s relationships with them). (see: <a href="http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/01/man-as-babywearer-or-this-site-needs-pictures/" rel="nofollow">attachment parenting does not equal attachment mothering</a>).</p>
<p>as for the work/stay home thing&#8230;well, we&#8217;ve all got to make an honest living somehow. but i think this issue goes far beyond mothers and children, and we must dig a lot deeper for the answers to much broader questions&#8211;for example, why is it now the norm in our society that in order to make a living, a working person must be alienated from his/her home life to one extent or another? this is true not only for parents, but for any working adults in any kind of living situation. for most people, time spent at work also means time not spent at home&#8211;in one&#8217;s home community, applying one&#8217;s self to valuable domestic pursuits (growing or cooking food, household maintenance, nurturing relationships with one&#8217;s housemates or neighbors, caring for children if there are any). some would say we can trace this convention back to the industrial revolution, when former farm workers left their homesteads to work in the factories all day. i think that this, in part, has led to our current set of cultural assumptions:</p>
<p>1. someone in the household must do paid work in order to make a living<br />
2. in order to work, we must leave home and go to a workplace<br />
3. ideally, infants should not be separated from their mothers for extended periods of time<br />
4. infants/children do not belong in the workplace<br />
5. &#8220;staying home&#8221; as a caregiver means making an infant/child the center of one&#8217;s undivided attention<br />
6. therefore, mothers must stay home and not to go work OR they must be separated from their infants in order to work (which apparently, according to some folks, will make the child a &#8220;huddled heap of despair.&#8221;)<br />
7. therefore, non-mother parents are the only ones who can go to work, so they must go to work and not stay home.</p>
<p>if i look at those assumptions for a while, i feel like really there are only two that hold water on a very basic level: (1) and (3). the others, to varying degrees, are products of the society we live in. each of us has a different amount of privilege and resources and circumstance that allows us to go against societal norms if we are so inclined: some families are able to get by on one parent&#8217;s full-time income, or two or more parents&#8217; part-time income. some people are able to telecommute or operate a home-based business. some (very few, indeed) have an out-of-the-home workplace that supports the presence of infants and children, and so on.</p>
<p>but the reality is, the majority of us have none of these options available (which is why, among other reasons, i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very realistic or progressive to expect women to all want to quit their jobs and wholeheartedly embrace &#8220;mother-child communion&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: July</title>
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		<dc:creator>July</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you. I think there is a complete lack of community for working moms. There are mommy groups and activities for babies and kids during the day, but if moms work during those hours, we miss everything. I have a very hard time meeting other parents, and yet my own friends have vanished from my life now that I am not able to go out for a drink at night or do the things we used to do spontaneously.

And yes, every family is different. Every family deserves to have options that work for them. But what about PAY? Some of us need our whole salary, and our whole attention to do our job. 

I also think the &#039;attachment parent&#039; types should give us some slack. I&#039;m sick of reading that my baby is going to grow up with attachment disorders just because I have to work. I do everything I can to make sure she is happy and healthy... can that ever be enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you. I think there is a complete lack of community for working moms. There are mommy groups and activities for babies and kids during the day, but if moms work during those hours, we miss everything. I have a very hard time meeting other parents, and yet my own friends have vanished from my life now that I am not able to go out for a drink at night or do the things we used to do spontaneously.</p>
<p>And yes, every family is different. Every family deserves to have options that work for them. But what about PAY? Some of us need our whole salary, and our whole attention to do our job. </p>
<p>I also think the &#8216;attachment parent&#8217; types should give us some slack. I&#8217;m sick of reading that my baby is going to grow up with attachment disorders just because I have to work. I do everything I can to make sure she is happy and healthy&#8230; can that ever be enough?</p>
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		<title>By: July</title>
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		<dc:creator>July</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, the workplace would have to be willing to allow babies. Once you get over that hurdle, the mom has to be willing, and the baby has to be willing too! As a newborn, my daughter cried whenever I put her in a sling so I spent my entire maternity leave just holding her, with my arms. I would not have been able to work one bit! I barely even checked my email during that time. Now that she is a toddler, she wants me to be engaging with her 100% of the time unless I set her in front of the TV, which obviously is not beneficial to anyone - she would be better off engaging with her babysitter (in my opinion) than watching TV while I work. It seems to me like a very few lucky moms who would be able to enjoy the ability to work with their babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, the workplace would have to be willing to allow babies. Once you get over that hurdle, the mom has to be willing, and the baby has to be willing too! As a newborn, my daughter cried whenever I put her in a sling so I spent my entire maternity leave just holding her, with my arms. I would not have been able to work one bit! I barely even checked my email during that time. Now that she is a toddler, she wants me to be engaging with her 100% of the time unless I set her in front of the TV, which obviously is not beneficial to anyone &#8211; she would be better off engaging with her babysitter (in my opinion) than watching TV while I work. It seems to me like a very few lucky moms who would be able to enjoy the ability to work with their babies.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The solutions are&#8230; here &#171; Raising My Boychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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