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	<description>Parenting, privilege, and rethinking the norm</description>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t even heard of EC&#039;ing, until I went to a breastfeeding support group when my daughter was about 6 weeks old and I say a mother there holding her 7 month boy over a bowl to wee.  It took me a couple of weeks to pluck up the courage to ask her what she was doing and then - wow - nothing ever made more sense to me more quickly. Having said that, we&#039;ve been through phases of full-time, part-time, at night, not at night and until recently I&#039;ve never had the guts to take her out of the house without a nappy on as a safety-net.

With childcare, we&#039;ve found it fine to be EC&#039;ing at home whilst the nursery does their own thing.  That said, they&#039;ve always been happy to sit her on a potty after her midday nap, if nothing else.  The one consequence of that mixed environment though is that she is now dry at home, but not a nursery, so we&#039;re now trying to work out some kind of half-way house between EC&#039;ing and &quot;training&quot; for the nursery.

So, having said all of that - you&#039;re absolutely right.  It&#039;s from a position of privilege that we&#039;ve been able to do.  Affording the cloth nappies in the first place, whichis much more expensive as a bulk purchase than an on-going outlay of cheap disposables (plus there was a local council money-for-using-cloth-nappies scheme that we had the resources and knowledge to know about and claim).  Having the time to wash nappies and the space to hang them out to dry.  Being able to afford the heating to have her running around bum-out a lot of the time.  Having wooden flooring that made the clean-up so much easier.  Etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t even heard of EC&#8217;ing, until I went to a breastfeeding support group when my daughter was about 6 weeks old and I say a mother there holding her 7 month boy over a bowl to wee.  It took me a couple of weeks to pluck up the courage to ask her what she was doing and then &#8211; wow &#8211; nothing ever made more sense to me more quickly. Having said that, we&#8217;ve been through phases of full-time, part-time, at night, not at night and until recently I&#8217;ve never had the guts to take her out of the house without a nappy on as a safety-net.</p>
<p>With childcare, we&#8217;ve found it fine to be EC&#8217;ing at home whilst the nursery does their own thing.  That said, they&#8217;ve always been happy to sit her on a potty after her midday nap, if nothing else.  The one consequence of that mixed environment though is that she is now dry at home, but not a nursery, so we&#8217;re now trying to work out some kind of half-way house between EC&#8217;ing and &#8220;training&#8221; for the nursery.</p>
<p>So, having said all of that &#8211; you&#8217;re absolutely right.  It&#8217;s from a position of privilege that we&#8217;ve been able to do.  Affording the cloth nappies in the first place, whichis much more expensive as a bulk purchase than an on-going outlay of cheap disposables (plus there was a local council money-for-using-cloth-nappies scheme that we had the resources and knowledge to know about and claim).  Having the time to wash nappies and the space to hang them out to dry.  Being able to afford the heating to have her running around bum-out a lot of the time.  Having wooden flooring that made the clean-up so much easier.  Etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2520</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting examination of that particular question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting examination of that particular question.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2443</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this post. 

I didn&#039;t do EC; partly because the ex would never have gone for it (and *right there* we have the &quot;privilege of having a supportive partner&quot; thing I touched on in my WFPP post) and partly because I didn&#039;t even hear of it until B was about half a year old, by which time although I know it&#039;s never &quot;too late&quot;, even if the ex had allowed it, it would have been much harder. 

One of the things I&#039;m coming up against now, with my two and a half year old, is that he&#039;d *love* to be nappy free, and he can, if he&#039;s not wearing anything on his bottom half, use a potty. 

But ... it&#039;s winter here, it&#039;s cold, and I simply cannot afford to have the heating on. (The irony; my ex husband &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; afford it, but doesn&#039;t really approve of him going around with nothing on his bottom half *sigh*). So... yeah, kyriarchy laden. 

Excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t do EC; partly because the ex would never have gone for it (and *right there* we have the &#8220;privilege of having a supportive partner&#8221; thing I touched on in my WFPP post) and partly because I didn&#8217;t even hear of it until B was about half a year old, by which time although I know it&#8217;s never &#8220;too late&#8221;, even if the ex had allowed it, it would have been much harder. </p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;m coming up against now, with my two and a half year old, is that he&#8217;d *love* to be nappy free, and he can, if he&#8217;s not wearing anything on his bottom half, use a potty. </p>
<p>But &#8230; it&#8217;s winter here, it&#8217;s cold, and I simply cannot afford to have the heating on. (The irony; my ex husband <i>can</i> afford it, but doesn&#8217;t really approve of him going around with nothing on his bottom half *sigh*). So&#8230; yeah, kyriarchy laden. </p>
<p>Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an important point. The perfectionism thing can be really damaging (to the caregiver), especially if we&#039;re also dealing with postpartum mood disorders. This is one of the many reasons it&#039;s important to emphasize that it&#039;s the process that matters, not the outcome (if you&#039;ll pardon the almost pun). And part of the process is relaxing about it all. Of course, when dealing with anxiety and depression and perfectionism, that is a lot easier said than done, as I well know...

*hugs* It really is OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an important point. The perfectionism thing can be really damaging (to the caregiver), especially if we&#8217;re also dealing with postpartum mood disorders. This is one of the many reasons it&#8217;s important to emphasize that it&#8217;s the process that matters, not the outcome (if you&#8217;ll pardon the almost pun). And part of the process is relaxing about it all. Of course, when dealing with anxiety and depression and perfectionism, that is a lot easier said than done, as I well know&#8230;</p>
<p>*hugs* It really is OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started trying to EC with 2 babies and between depression &amp; perfectionism, just couldn&#039;t do it. I&#039;d get upset I couldn&#039;t do it &quot;properly&quot; which would just make me feel like a failure, which made me more depressed. It was a bad cycle and I still feel guilty for failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started trying to EC with 2 babies and between depression &amp; perfectionism, just couldn&#8217;t do it. I&#8217;d get upset I couldn&#8217;t do it &#8220;properly&#8221; which would just make me feel like a failure, which made me more depressed. It was a bad cycle and I still feel guilty for failing.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I think EC is just like breastfeeding, or babywearing: we&#039;re used to the way our culture does things, so we think all these &quot;radical&quot; ideas are &lt;strong&gt;so hard&lt;/strong&gt;, but the truth is, they&#039;re not really. It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; something new one has to learn, and that can be a big hurdle -- but the act itself? Just like breastfeeding, it&#039;s actually, generally, &lt;strong&gt;way&lt;/strong&gt; easier than the alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I think EC is just like breastfeeding, or babywearing: we&#8217;re used to the way our culture does things, so we think all these &#8220;radical&#8221; ideas are <strong>so hard</strong>, but the truth is, they&#8217;re not really. It <em>is</em> something new one has to learn, and that can be a big hurdle &#8212; but the act itself? Just like breastfeeding, it&#8217;s actually, generally, <strong>way</strong> easier than the alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left you a comment earlier, but I think I may have vanished/never appeared/blackberry failed. 

Thank you for this blog post, so very much. We have been planning on EC our &#039;one day&#039; baby, whenever that time comes. I know I will be coming back to this post again, and again. 

And, I&#039;m a care provider who has tried (ie very part-time EC) with the little girl I care for. Whilst in diapers, starting at 12 months. Sure, it isn&#039;t going to lead to being out of diapers within the year, but her awareness alone will make the process easier. It is about communication. So, don&#039;t dismiss working parents finding a solution that works for them. 

Thank you again for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left you a comment earlier, but I think I may have vanished/never appeared/blackberry failed. </p>
<p>Thank you for this blog post, so very much. We have been planning on EC our &#8216;one day&#8217; baby, whenever that time comes. I know I will be coming back to this post again, and again. </p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m a care provider who has tried (ie very part-time EC) with the little girl I care for. Whilst in diapers, starting at 12 months. Sure, it isn&#8217;t going to lead to being out of diapers within the year, but her awareness alone will make the process easier. It is about communication. So, don&#8217;t dismiss working parents finding a solution that works for them. </p>
<p>Thank you again for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009/11/diaper-free-but-kyriarchy-laden/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is a lot easier with at a one-on-one caregiver willing to potty during the day, a lot of people have done EC just when they&#039;re home, and done conventional diapering with traditional caregivers during the day. Most babies adapt well, and most parents find it worth it.

But yes, it is a hell of a lot harder on a &quot;9-5&quot; schedule (really more like 7-6, what with commute and lunch hours!). Babies &lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; take time and concentration, so it&#039;s not as simple as just saying &quot;bring babies to work!&quot; but there are so many possibilities that would allow for both work and babycare, if only we would think creatively, and not enforce such rigid, family-unfriendly policies.

But that&#039;s a rant for another day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is a lot easier with at a one-on-one caregiver willing to potty during the day, a lot of people have done EC just when they&#8217;re home, and done conventional diapering with traditional caregivers during the day. Most babies adapt well, and most parents find it worth it.</p>
<p>But yes, it is a hell of a lot harder on a &#8220;9-5&#8243; schedule (really more like 7-6, what with commute and lunch hours!). Babies <strong>do</strong> take time and concentration, so it&#8217;s not as simple as just saying &#8220;bring babies to work!&#8221; but there are so many possibilities that would allow for both work and babycare, if only we would think creatively, and not enforce such rigid, family-unfriendly policies.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s a rant for another day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloth diapering, babywearing, attachment parenting in general: yup. All good things of themselves, but all fraught with usually-unacknowledged issues of privilege and racism and classism and so on. And if we don&#039;t acknowledge them, we can&#039;t work to eliminate them, and our advocacy will not only perpetuate oppression, it will simply fail to be effective.

And I KNOW you know just how controversial parenting can be! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloth diapering, babywearing, attachment parenting in general: yup. All good things of themselves, but all fraught with usually-unacknowledged issues of privilege and racism and classism and so on. And if we don&#8217;t acknowledge them, we can&#8217;t work to eliminate them, and our advocacy will not only perpetuate oppression, it will simply fail to be effective.</p>
<p>And I KNOW you know just how controversial parenting can be! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.  I have a friend and a web acquaintance that are both doing EC with their infants.  I love the idea of it... though to be completely frank I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d have the patience/energy to do it.  I am very much ok with saying I took the easy way out with diapers.  Then again, I&#039;m getting close to embarking on that wonderful journey of potty training my almost-2yr old, so we&#039;ll see what I think once I&#039;m on the other side of that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.  I have a friend and a web acquaintance that are both doing EC with their infants.  I love the idea of it&#8230; though to be completely frank I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d have the patience/energy to do it.  I am very much ok with saying I took the easy way out with diapers.  Then again, I&#8217;m getting close to embarking on that wonderful journey of potty training my almost-2yr old, so we&#8217;ll see what I think once I&#8217;m on the other side of that&#8230;</p>
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